New Player

  • Welcome Buster


    Yes it is normal for a new player to lose to robots. And many get relegated in their 1st season and lose heart.


    However being regelated in your 1st season is no bad thing. In your 2nd if you were regelated in the 1st you will more than likely beat the robots teams around you and come 1st or 2nd thereby gaining win bonuses and money for doing well in the 9th division.


    yours


    MadJack

  • Thanks MadJack. Having played a lot of these type of games it seems a very weird concept that human owned teams should lose to bot managed teams. In fact in my experience it makes it unique! However, it is what it is and unless one wishes to leave the game then you just have to accept it.


    I am slightly heartened by your post though and it has prompted me to search through the Amateur League 1 ranks and I have found that an awful lot of those teams due to be relegated are in fact human teams. Most of the teams that started with me from Maxithlon are in the same boat as myself. Therefore, it appears that the game was designed to be that way. So maybe I am not doing as much wrong as I thought I was.


    I can imagine that there must be one hell of a drop out rate from the game! Then again there is in all these sort of games I guess. Who knows maybe making games where you are getting beaten by bots is the new way forward!?? Who knows?


    Anyway, thanks for the encouragement.

  • Hi Buster, do you really think it's that bad and many are leaving the game because of it? I could weaken the bots in the lower leagues, but actually you are supposed to fight for the victories and not get them as a gift.

  • No Wulfman I realise that you have to fight for victories and that is no bad thing. It is also very boring in other games where you instantly thrash bots until you reach high enough up the pyramid system to play against human opponents. So I guess somewhere between the two extremes lies the true answer.


    Only you know the extent of people dropping out after being relegated in their first season so only you know whether there is a problem or not. There is a big difference between newbies not really engaging with the game from the very start and newbies engaging with the game until they are relegated and then leaving. Again I guess you are monitoring these figures closely.


    You have a great game here. The only bit of advice that I would offer, as a total newbie, if I may, is make it very obvious to people like myself that losing to bots is normal.


    Until I read MadJack’s post and in fairness he also privately messaged me with a note of encouragement (which was very much appreciated) I was of the opinion that I must be doing something wrong.


    Only last night I lost to the bot who is bottom of the league so you start to scratch your head and wonder what is going on! Therefore, a strong message telling newbies that it is normal to lose to bots would put mew players minds at rest. A message along the lines of MadJacks would probably go down well for new players.


    keep up the good work!

  • Thanks Buster.


    And yes Wolfman of course people are leaving because of it. With 99.9% of new players leaving there has to be a problem.


    And there is a difference between fighting for something and it being mission impossible.


    Even if buster was the best table tennis manager player that ever lived restarting (after a break from it say) there is no guarentee that he would not get relegated. The only difference with him is that he would not care about being relegated in his first season.


    I my first season my two teams came 8th and 5th. I read everything there was on the forum and watched the only video there is on the game. Looking back there is nothing I could have done to improve my 1st season results without completely wrecking my future teams chances to make higher divisions in later season.


    Out of the 80 teams that joined when Ijoined none of them were left after season 5. 36 of the 80 teams were relegated in there first season ie. 45%. 12.5 % were promoted and 42.5% stayed in the same division.


    However Buster started playing at or near the start of the season so his chances of relegation are higher as someone starting there the game near the end of the season can get lucky and take over a team that has already had many victories.


    I'm not suggesting you weaken all low league robots but it wouldn't hurt to weaken some in the lower parts of Division 8.


    At the moment someone who spends hours going though the forum and doing all the correct moves still has a very good of relegation. And someone who doesn't do so much search rightly gets relegated.


    In my view all games are addictions and have to hook you in to start off with. A game that kicks you down every day in the first week or two is not going to be as addictive.


    That being said out of the top 3 teams in the Premier League at the monment two of them came 9th in their first season and the other came 6th.


    It's still a game though .


    MadJack

  • Wow this game really doesn’t make it easy for new players does it. Talk about taking the stuffing out of you!!


    Today I was informed via a random event that I have lost my best player for two days thanks to this message “Brendan Pugh is invited to participate in an international tournament. Reluctantly (or proudly?), you have to let him go. He is not available for the next two games.”


    Not that I ever did have much chance of not getting relegated but now all chance has just about disappeared. So with a fair bit of the season left I now feel as if I have nothing left to play for so logging on to see my daily losses is becoming a bit of a grind.


    I will not quit but I have to confess that I can see why so many do. I strongly suggest that you look at the random events Wulfman and maybe for newbies you remove the bad ones and only give them encouraging ones for their first season or something like that.


    Anyway as you have so obviously put so much effort into the game I thought I would share the feelings of a total newbie with you so that you can get a flavour of what new players feel, which might help you in your development of the game.

  • Random events sometimes hit you hard but my personal experience is it's not that bad (Wulfman already reduced it a little - previously locks could hit more than 1 player of your team at the same time).


    about the relegation, don't worry, I actually see that as a benefit (if we eliminate the real life time factor of 20 days per season) because you should be able to win the championship easily next season and get a lot of money.


    Registration date is usually a random factor also (in case you don't have someone to tell you what gameday of the season it is) because a lot depends on it. If you are lucky, you can register in between 2 seasons and get a chance to use player loans, or you can register on gameday 10 (or later) and have little chance to keep the league.


    Look for the positives and try to study the game in your first month, without any radicle moves.

  • I am always a glass is half full type of person so no fears there. On the positive side I have already slightly upgraded the hall and am managing to fill it and overall I am making a profit so the money side of it is going ok. Plus there are only a few more games left until I get relegated and hopefully next season will be more encouraging.


    Thanks for the comments though domac101.

  • I have weakened the computer players in the two lowest leagues a little bit now. It may take a few days for the change to take effect.